Wednesday, March 19, 2008

Muslim silence on anti-Christian persecution

Why do we as Muslims often stay silent when Christians in Muslim countries are subjected to attacks and persecution?

I say this in light of the disgusting murder of the Chaldean Archbishop Paulos Faraj Rahho of Mosul, Iraq last week. Iraqi Muslims rightfully condemned this disgusting act, but where were the indignant condemnations and outrage by Muslims in the West? God knows we tend to cry bloody murder when Muslims are being persecuted by tyrants (unless they are Islamic, cue the silence of the Taliban for example), yet what about the minorities in Muslim lands? Is their blood less worthy than others? Do Muslims apparently get a free pass to persecute and make life hell for Christians and others in Muslim countries?

Why is it so difficult for Muslims to bring light of wrongdoings like this? We all know the Prophet (saw) would not endorse the harm of minorities so what gives these Muslims the right to do so?

If we are going to bring up the faults of non-Muslim tyrants oppressing our brothers and sisters, then we must by that same token speak out when non-Muslims are attacked and murdered by Muslim extremists. The silence of Archbishop Rahho is extremely unacceptable.

40 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thank you for saying what we Christians have been asking for several years now: Where is the Muslim outcry over the torture and murder of innocent people, their only crime being to love Jesus the Christ?

We are repeatedly told that Islam is a religion of peace yet no Muslim speaks up when Christians and B'Hais are butchered. I hope you and thousands of other Muslims will begin to speak up - even take up arms against the Wahhabi's before its too late even for YOU!
Yes, they will come for you too if you refuse to speak. If you fail to stop this madness the world will see Islam for what it truly is: a farce, a big lie. Muslims are turning to Christ because they are disgusted with this murderous religion of hate. God is love. I hope you will discover His true identity.

The Sphinx said...

Spot on. However I must say that there are a lot of Muslims who hate the Taliban, and disassociate themselves from their ideology.
Admittedly, this isn't very apparent, in fact people tend to believe that we don't care about others, partly because the media for example loves to put heavy emphasis on Muslims complaining about oppression against them, and at the same doesn't care too much about Muslims condemning acts of violence on Christians for example, or saying that terrorism is not part of our religion.

I for one find this crime against the Archbishop despicable, and hope the murderer gets caught and brought to justice soon. It's idiots like this who give Islam a bad nam, and just about any Muslim I know will agree.

And to the first anonymous comment: If you're going to judge a religion, then do so by its principles, and not by the actions of some maniacs. After all, you don't reject the American legal system because the high murder rate in the US.

The Anti-Wahhabi said...

I agree The Sphinx. I mean, is it okay to judge Christianity for the actions of the Lord's Resistance Army, or Catholicism based on the actions of the Maronite Phalangists in Lebanon during the Civil War?

Marsh said...

I agree. But I have another question. Why do Western Christians only ever complain about Christian minorities suffering at the hands of Muslims? Why don't they complain about Christian minorities persecuted by Hindu or Jewish or other extremists? Why are they silent about Christians suffering in the birthplace of Jesus - Bethlehem? Why don't they complain about the apartheid wall that the Jewish fanatics are building through the city of Jesus? Why don't they complain about the treatkment orf Christians in China or India?

Why are so many US evangelical Christians so uncritically supportive of Israel, even when it is attacking and killing Christians?

nadia n said...

The silence wasn't just among Muslims, but the whole world. Last January there were a string of terrorist attacks on Churches, but you couldn't find any mention of them anywhere. The press was too busy talking about how great the surge was going if they were talking about Iraq at all. This isn't just a Christian exodus though all of Iraq's minorities are having a really hard time, Mandeans, Shabaks etc, it just really sucks that something like this had to happen for people to notice that there's a problem.

I would however ask the people still supporting the "resistance" why they were silent about this.

nadia n said...

I agree. But I have another question. Why do Western Christians only ever complain about Christian minorities suffering at the hands of Muslims?
If you mean in America and on the right I would definitely agree, but in general I would not. The Vatican and Desmond Tutu speak pretty regularly on Palestine, China and India I can't speak about since I'm not as familiar with the situation there.

nadia n said...

Though I should say on principle it annoys me that they should only be expected to speak on issues that affect people that happen to share their religion, what's wrong is wrong no matter who it happens to, but I mean duh.

RandallJones said...

What's going on in Iraq is not the best example to bring up when considering the fact that people of all religions and ethnicities are being killed. In addition the country that has bombed Iraq and is fueling the violence is the Judeo-Christian United States.

There needs to be more discussion of religious persecution in Saudi Arabia and Egypt. But along with the discussion of religious persecution is the discussion of why the United States accepts trillions of dollars of investment money from the Saudis and sells billions of dollars of weapons to Saudi Arabia. The United States gives billions of dollars in military aid to Egypt and Israel.

The situations are complicated and it can not just be discussed in terms of religious persecution.

nadia n said...

In addition the country that has bombed Iraq and is fueling the violence is the Judeo-Christian United States.

The situations are complicated and it can not just be discussed in terms of religious persecution.

I guess the ten Church bombings that happened in a space of two weeks were all a coincidence?

What exactly are you suggesting with that first quote? That Christians are collaborators?

RandallJones said...

nadia,

what are you talking about?

The matter of fact is that it was a Judeo-Christian country that bombed the infrastructure of Iraq, has put thousands of Iraqis in jail without justification, is in charge of the reconstruction projects, which they seem to be benefiting more than the Iraqis. I have no doubt there are agent provocateurs of different nationalities that are fueling the violence in Iraq.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20051015&articleId=1089

AS for these 10 Churches that were bombed, they could have been done by Muslims or they could have been done by non-Muslims or even a collaboration of Muslims and non-Muslims.

Every time a bomb goes off the media says this was one of Al Qaeda's actions. Who really knows?

Anyway my many point is that it is not only Christians that have been targeted for killings. Women are targeted, Palestinians are targeted, homosexuals are targeted, straight men are targeted. So with everyone being targeted, most Iraqis (who are still living in Iraq) are not going to sit around worrying about the Christians. They are worrying about their own safety.

nadia n said...

The matter of fact is that it was a Judeo-Christian country that bombed the infrastructure of Iraq, has put thousands of Iraqis in jail without justification, is in charge of the reconstruction projects, which they seem to be benefiting more than the Iraqis.

And this had to do with the killing of Iraqi Christians, how?
What exactly am I supposed to deduce from that information?

Yes I agree that Christians are not the only ones being targeted? I have no idea what your point is there either. There are religious extremists that are clearly specifically targeting religious minorities, Iraqis are and have been concerned about that since it started, just as they have been when they target the general population.

RandallJones said...

nadia you wrote "..., Iraqis are and have been concerned about that since it started, just as they have been when they target the general population."

You contradict yourself. You first say no one is concerned about what is happening to the Christians than you say Iraqis are concerned about them.

I say if they aren't, I can understand because many Muslim men women and children have been ,as well.

If what the United States and Britain did to Iraq was done to the United States or Britain, you would have fighting between the various races, ethnicities, and religions.

Whenever a bomb goes off automatically the announcements by politicians and media says its Al Qaeda, foreign jihadis, etc, etc, etc. We don't know how much effort is made to investigate who is behind each violent act.

nadia n said...
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nadia n said...

You contradict yourself. You first say no one is concerned about what is happening to the Christians than you say Iraqis are concerned about them.

That is bullshit I never said that. I said the world is ignoring this, and have been for a long time. The world, outside of Iraq, that is not complicated. Iraqis care about each other, even despite the douchebags that apologize for their killing, try to sanitize and minimize the extent to which it's happening or even say that they deserve it.

If what the United States and Britain did to Iraq was done to the United States or Britain, you would have fighting between the various races, ethnicities, and religions.

And? that answers nothing about why you think the fact that the united states and britain being Christian countries is at all relevant to the fact that Christians are being targeted.
Why you brought up the fact that the US and Britain are overwhelmingly Christian in relation to the fact that Christians are being killed.

Whenever a bomb goes off automatically the announcements by politicians and media says its Al Qaeda, foreign jihadis, etc, etc, etc. We don't know how much effort is made to investigate who is behind each violent act.

We know quite a bit about foreign presences there, and Islamist militias there.
Unless your only criteria for knowledge is held to a similar standard as that 9/11 "truth" bullshit you believe in.

RandallJones said...

Nadia,

You want to bring up 9/11? The Justice Department (FBI) says there is no hard evidence linking Osama ben Laden to 9/11 (see this article where the author actually contacted the FBI) You don’t believe him? See the FBI’s webpage on Osam Ben Laden. No mention of 9/11; why wouldn’t an attack that killed 3,000 be included in his list of crimes?

The Bush Administration has constantly used OBL's names in their “war on terrorism” which has caused a lot of death and destruction not only in Iraq but in Somalia. Somalia has become a worse humanitarian crisis than Darfur, but you don't see too many crocodile tears for the Somalis. Here is a video of a news report asking why hasn’t Osama ben Laden been officially indicted for 9/11.

On 9/11 three buildings (the twin towers and building 7) which were damaged in different ways but fell in the same exact way: they collapsed almost at free fall speed straight down into their bases. If you believe that was a just a coincidence then I have a bridge to sell you.

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Back to the topic at hand:

The United States, Britain, and their allies:

#1) bombed Iraq and destroyed its infrastructure
#2) rounds up thousands of Iraqis and jails them without justification
#3) makes decisions when elections are to take place and whether the results are valid
#4) benefit more from reconstruction projects than the Iraqis
#5)can break into jails to release prisoners against the Iraqi's governments wishes. (see the link from my second comment above)
#6) agent provocateurs are being used to fuel the violence amongst the different religious and ethnic groups. (I don’t say the agent provocateurs are all hired by Westerners, I don’t doubt Iran and Israel are doing their part to fuel the violence.)

If the same thing was done to Western democracies like the Untied States, Britain, Canada, you would have all sorts of race wars, ethnic wars and religious wars.

In other words, the actions of U.S. and its allies has caused the lawlessness in Iraq where people of all religious, ethnicities, genders, and ages are being killed.

nadia n said...

Dude,

seriously

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Apache Man said...

Randall,
"In other words, the actions of the US and it's allies has called the lawlessness in Iraq where people of all religious, ethnicities, genders, and ages are being killed."
Yep. You fail to note that they are killing each other, not by Americans. Wahabi fanatics think EVERYBODY is either "apostate" or "kaffirs" or "infidels" and should be killed. Iraqis, at least recognize that the real threat is the wahabis, not the US.
To me, any dead muslim is a good start. They're like sea gulls. There's too many of 'em. We need to get rid of them.

The Anti-Wahhabi said...

Apache tool, way to contradict yourself with the post.

How about you post your address on here if you want dead Muslims? What are you afraid of? Come on, put your money where your mouth is, chump.

RandallJones said...

Apache Man,

As I said before, "If the same thing [done to Iraq]was done to Western democracies like the Untied States, Britain, Canada, you would have all sorts of race wars, ethnic wars and religious wars."

RandallJones said...

nadia,

You have gone off topic in other websites we both visit, accusing me of making up 9/11 conspiracies.

Then when I bring up evidence of why I questions the official investigation of 9/11, you have nothing to say.

9/11 was one of the excuses that the US used to invade Iraq. A poll was done of U.S. soldiers; many believed they where in Iraq because Sadam Hussein had something to do with 9/11.

As someone who is living comfortably in the West the least you could do is question what the mainstream media is claiming is the truth about 9/11.

Apache Man said...
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Apache Man said...

Someone said "peace is a myth fostered by the resting periods between wars." I agree. At any given time, people are killing other people for some cause or reason(that may have no reason involved). What I meant was, I'd rather see piles of dead enemies(be they muslims or anything else) than to see even one dead US soldier. If you don't like that "anti", post your e-mail address and we can debate over smokin' 9s anytime. I'd love to.

RandallJones said...

Apache,

But there are over 4,000 American soldiers dead. And thats just counting the ones that died in Iraq, not those that got flown out of Iraq before dying.

In addition, there are tens of thousands more that have become severely disabled and/or disfigured.

When any Muslim has your point of view, they are called terrorist.

Apache Man said...

Perhaps it's time to fight fire with fire. 4000 is actually fewer than are killed normally in training accidents, car crashes, etc every year in the armed forces. 3000+ were killed in minutes on 9/11. Mao said "Political power grows from the barrel of a gun". The wahabis are trying to prove that. They will be denied their goal because their goal is unaccepable. It will cost their blood and some of ours. The quicker you stack up THEIR bodies, the sooner they'll get the idea. Actually, it's working. They're getting weaker.

RandallJones said...

Apache,

I have no idea what is the point of your last comment.

But I would like to remind you that the United states had helped Saddam Hussein into power and supported him, strategically and financially, when he was committing his worst atrocities. Former U.S. puppet, Saddam Hussein, had checked with the United States before he invaded Kuwait.

The Iraqis are scapegoats for U.S. foreign policy.

By the way the United States killed around 1 and 1/2 million (some say it was as high as 5 million) people during the Vietnam war. Around 58 thousand American soldiers were killed. What good did this war do?

It is easy for you to brush off the number of deaths of American soldiers because it didn't happen to you or a family member.

Apache Man said...

Saddam got the power from the barrel of his own gun, the US didn't even supply the ammo. The US did aid Saddam in killing 3 million or so Iranis. But Saddam got most of his support from the Russians..that's where AK-47s come from.
The body count in Vietnam was 1.9 million (according to the commies. They published that in 1998)vs. 58,000 US GIs. That war was almost won in 1968 when we wiped out the VC as a fighting force. That's why the North invaded. The war was lost here, in our lying assed media, and our leftist universities that inculcates a burgeoning commie party here in America.
Am I minimizing the sacrifice of our people? I think not. I'm a combat vet myself with several medals of my own, and 3 of them are purple.
I don't think the fight is all about oil, and neither do our troops. The fight is about GOOD vs. EVIL. And until you've really seen it(which is rare in our overprotected society) EVIL is a myth to most people.
Wahabi islam and the mullahs that promote it is pure EVIL. It must be stamped out just for the rest of the world survive in love and dignity. Before you get into that snit, remember "You gotta break eggs to make good mayonnaise". Think about that, read some of the koran, which is a manual for terror, rape, slavery, robbery, pedophilia, and murder. Study the life of their false prophet, who oh so conveniently had miraculous conversations with Gabriel, the Archangel, to justify his latest atrocity.

RandallJones said...

Apache,

The blogosphere and mainstream media has seen an increasing plethora of “experts” of Islam, but these same experts seem to have not read the Bible, otherwise they wouldn’t be so sanctimonious in describing the negative aspects of Islam.

You can start your Bible lessons here http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac12.htm#links

RandallJones said...

Apache,

Here is my sources for some of my information

“Regime Change: How the CIA put Saddam's Party in Power”
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html

Here is an article about how the United States had sold weapons and gave false strategic advice to both sides of the Iran-Iraq war.
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/11715

Here is an interview with (National Security Advisor to President Carter) Zbigniew Brzezinski at http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html (from Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998 ). He says,

“According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.”

And

“That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.”

The defeat of the Russians led to the collapse of the Soviet Union, this made the United States the number one super power in the world. In the meanwhile, millions of Afghans had been killed and the country's infrastructure had been destroyed. The United States did nothing to help reconstruct Afghanistan.

Apache Man said...

Randall, I went to the virulently anti Christian link as you suggested and got out my Bible. That whole link was a crock of crap. The was 3 Bible passages cited over and over and to the lazy, it would seem that the rape of 3 yr. old kiddies is "allowed"...in NO BIBLE PASSAGE CITED WAS THERE ANY MENTION OF AN ATROCITY LIKE THAT. So, aside from being full of crap on that one, WHAT? Next I'll track down every link and qoute you cite on the next one and probably find out you're full of it on them too.
Oh, by the way, muhammad and the kornon suck, big time.

RandallJones said...

Apache,

The website cites more than three passages.

Are you familiar with the "delightful" passages in the Jewish Talmud?

If not, read the book called Judaism’s Strange Gods by Michael Hoffman. I'll quote part of it here:

On page 51 it says

Sexual Intercourse with Little Girls is Permissible
Ketubot lIb: “If a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl, it is nothing, for having intercourse with a girl less than three years old is like putting a finger in the eye.”
Though the Talmud’s permission for the heinous crime of child molestation is virtually unknown among the public and is never mentioned in the establishment media, among Talmud researchers it is notorious.
This portion of tractate Ketubot concerns Halakhic definitions of sexual intercourse. In this particular ruling it is stated that copulation with girls below the age of three cannot be considered sexual activity because, although penetration ruptures her hymen, such intercourse is merely “like putting a finger in the eye,” since the hymen at this age will eventually regenerate (just as a finger stuck in an eye will cause the eye to water, yet the eye will heal and return to its former state, so the hymen of a girl under three will rupture during intercourse but will heal later).
Once her hymen grows back, the little girl is regarded as lawfully still a virgin. Hence the Talmud recognizes no sexual intercourse as having occurred and therefore exacts no penalty for coitus with a female child of less than three years of age.

RandallJones said...

Apache,

Can you guess which country has the most killings and rapes?

It's the Christian Congo. But there is not too much media attention on this fact because the United States, Israel, and Europe benefit from extracting diamonds and other natural resources by slave labor and benefit from the sale of weapons to both sides of the conflict.

Learn more about what's going on in the Congo here
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_keith_ha_080207_the_gertler_steinmet.htm

Apache Man said...

I'm getting bored with this leftist cant. I'm going to Florida in the morning to do a detailed visual study on "anal floss bikinis". Just the thing for a corrupt, rightwing, islam hater.

The Anti-Wahhabi said...

Apache Homo, for someone that claims to be a devout Christian, those activities are surely forbidden, aren't they?

I bet you're going out there to check out your sister's "anal floss". Fucking inbred sister-fucking, pork rhine eating, NASCAR watching, no account-having welfare buck tooth motherfucker.

You waste your time on here talking your garbage yet when someone steps up to the plate to challenge your inbred stupidity, you cut and run.

Let's see how tough you are on the battlefield you white trash redneck. And I didn't want your email address shithead, but your REAL address. If you're so gung-ho, why don't you come out to a mosque on a Friday and put your money where your mouth is? I'm sure you won't because like the LGF wingnuts, you're nothing but a loud mouthed coward. Go back to masturbating to Rush Limbaugh and rub one out for Michelle Malkin you turdburgler.

The Anti-Wahhabi said...

By the way, don't forget that to work on the Sabbath constitutes a death sentence, according to your own Bible.

Fucktard.

The Anti-Wahhabi said...

And Florida is obviously a cesspool of inbred white trash dipshits anyways. I bet this pop tart is going to Gainesville lol as if that's something to brag about.

RandallJones said...

Take it easy Anti-Wahhabi,

You might make Apache mad and he might go to a local mosque and look for a skinny puny Muslim to punch out.

You know what's funny is that he calls himself Apache, a native American name. The European settlers and travelers committed genocide against the the native Americans.

Maybe hundreds of years from now one of Apache's descendants will go around on the blogosphere calling himself Abdul. LOL!

Apache Man said...

Gee, you shit talkers sure can do some insulting when you don't have to face an ass whippin' cause you can do it over the 'net. Talk like a couple ignorant punk asses,
The big difference between the islaminazi racist/fascists and Christian people is that they're (mooselimbs)all tied up in their girlie dresses they wear about following some bullshit rules instigated by some human asshole, not God. The quotes randy suggests are ancient, and Jewish, not given by Christ. Neither has anyone preached that that crap should go on nowadays. On the other hand, we have lots of video proof of what the ragheads from hamas and hezbulla are preaching don't we? Youtube and LiveLeak and others are full of it. Hate, suicide, murder, rape, genocide, terror...all the good shit that their idol, "the perfect islamic man", muhammad (who would win any "shitbag of the year award" easily) did. Oh yeah, inculcate little kids with that kind of hate....real admirable. Well, I've concluded that this mental masturbation website, populated by faggot tube suckers and hershey highway engineers is as worthless as they come, so you little peepee jerkers can fuck off. If you see me on the street, run.

The Anti-Wahhabi said...

*yawn, you really are a one trick pony, aren't you?

You think we are afraid of some armchair general like yourself?

This is what you look like I bet lol

BTW, aren't you late for your Klan meeting? Too bad inbred sister-fucking scum like you still exist on our planet.

And you still haven't met up on my challenge, cock-sucker. If you're so tough, post up your address and see how tough you are. Chances are you won't, because you're a loud mouthed coward who talks a lot of trash yet can't stomach the ability to talk back to a cabbie. You're a degenerate, nothing more.

The Anti-Wahhabi said...

"If you see me on the street, run."

LOL you got to be kidding me? Try harder e-thug. You're not fazing anyone here, but you're making a dumbfuck out of yourself.

Keep up the good work comrade.

Here's a site that pokes fun at degenerates like yourself

Apache Man said...

Tsk,Tsk....what children.